Here are some quotes I found online of authors discussing the present condition of the traditional religious structure of Christianity --- so-called:
“How did the lessons of history vanish so quickly? When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire , the bishop moved his seat from among the people to the altar. It became the place of honor, power … and later the throne. Then gradually the clergy even removed worship from the people and kept it for themselves … while the people watch. Later, the Reformation merely exchanged the priest for a minister and put a sermon in the place of communion. Then, the rest of history simply supported these distortions. The Enlightenment turned preaching into worship, and modern management turned preachers into executives. Today, too many priests of Christendom wear Brooks Brother’s suits.” Thomas Hohstadt from “Dying to Live – The 21st Century Church.”
“As the Church Fathers attempted to cope with the various pagan philosophies that threatened the church from without and the heresies that were popping up with within, they resorted to establishing a hierarchical structure as their solution. “Hierarchy” comes from two Greek words meaning, “rule by priest.” Thus, in doing this, Church Fathers neatly and permanently divided God’s people into two castes: laity and clergy. We have lived with this caste system ever since, even though the Bible teaches otherwise.” Jim Petersen from “Church Without Walls.”
“Twentieth century Christians must re-learn the language of Scripture with respect to church. For the original meaning of countless Biblical terms like “church, “minister,” “pastor,” “house of God,” “ ministry,” and “fellowship” have been largely lost, thus eroding the landscape of the New Testament assembly. What is more, these words have been invested with institutional power – a power that was foreign to those who originally penned them in the Bible. Consequently, a pressing need in the church today is the rediscovery of Biblical language.” Frank A. Viola from “Rethinking the Wineskin.”
“Events in the history of the churches in the time of the Apostles have been selected and recorded in the Book of Acts in such a way to provide a permanent pattern for the churches. Departure from this pattern has had disastrous consequences, and all revival and restoration have been due to some return to the pattern and principles contained in the Scriptures.” E. H. Broadbent from “The Pilgrim Church .”
“Church history is rife with examples demonstrating how virtually every past renewal has been hampered because the new wine has been routinely repackaged into old wineskins. By the old wineskin, I mean those traditional church practices that are patterned after the old Judaic religious system that separated God’s people into two separate classes, required the presence of human mediators, and laid stress on outward form and ritual. The facets of the old wineskin are many: the clergy/laity distinction, the spectator-performer styled church meeting, the singe-pastor system, the program-driven worship service, the passive priesthood, the edifice-complex, etc.” Frank A. Viola from “Rethinking the Wineskin.”
“Lewis Black: ‘You know, you go into a church, where it’s like a vacuum. Where’s the place were you can’t possibly find Him? It would be in a church, apparently. It’s like they’ve done everything they can to create a space where you have no sense of Him being around.”
“Interviewer: ‘So, the church has blocked God out?’
“Lewis Black: ‘The church has created a space for itself like and area that’s a vacuum where God can’t enter because nothing there is really supporting His existence. That’s the way I’ve always felt when I’ve ended up in a temple or a church. Except for in Italy where you kind of go, ‘Oh, boy, they’ve really put a lot of money into this.’” From “The Door – July/August 1999”
“Where in the New Testament do you find a man – the same man – who (1) preaches every Sunday, (2) marries people, (3) brings a message over a corpse, (4) then buries it with a prayer, (5) visits old ladies, (6) says prayers over football games, (7) CEO’s a church, (8) presides over elders and deacons, (9) is virtually always in a dress suit, (10) speaks strangely and prays funny, (11) baptizes new converts, (12) and whose office and all the above practices are supposed to be based solidly on the Word of god and found in Scripture.” Gene Edwards in “Beyond Radical.”
“Unfortunately, in most church services the leadership will create something every meeting. In our culture this is one of the things we pay leadership to do. With or without God, we will have our meeting. If we consider all the fundamental, Spirit-filled, evangelical, historical, and catholic churches in our country alone, do you know how many services there are on any given Sunday? Maybe millions. How many do you think God attends? What is your criteria for evaluating? They preach, pray, take communion, and do good works. That is good, but we can do all that without God. Millions and millions do.” David Fitzpatrick from “Let My People Go.”
“The church has been brought into the same value system as the world: fame, success, materialism, and celebrity. We watch the leading churches and the leading Christians for our cues. We want to emulate the best-known preachers with the biggest sanctuaries and the grandest edifices. Preoccupation with these values has perverted the church’s message.” Chuck Colson from “Loving God.”
“One reason there are so few shepherd elders or good church elderships is that, generally speaking, men are spiritually lazy. Spiritual laziness is an enormous problem in the Christian community. Spiritual laziness is a major reason why most churches never establish Biblical eldership. Men are more than willing to let someone else fulfill their spiritual responsibilities, whether it be their wives, the clergy, or church professionals.” Alexander Strauch from “Biblical Eldership.”
“The early church possessed no buildings and carried on its work for a great many years without erecting any. This fact has something significant to teach us concerning the character of the church.” Ernest Loosley from “When the Church Was Very Young.”
“We evangelicals today make the money changers (in the Gospels) look like bungling amateurs the way we have turned faith into products to be sold in the marketplace. The use of television marketing styles and so on is incredibly uncritical and profoundly worldly.” Os Guiness from “Eternity.”
“This is not church (referring to the Sunday morning meeting where he was speaking). Church is a 24 hour/7 day thing. We should be able to prophesy just as good Tuesday afternoon as on Sunday morning. We should be sensitive to the Holy Spirit at all times during the week. It is abiding in the Lord…” Rick Joyner from “Tape of the Month Message for May, 1997.”
“We can plan a new wineskin, but if we still intend to control the people, we will face great conflict. God is interested in new wineskins, but He is also breaking the control spirit. I believe the Lord is saying, ‘Let my people go,’ not just for ‘one day or two days’ like Pharaoh did – a little release, a little expression, but ultimately still under his control – but let them go to be obedient to God, to do all that God has prepared for them to do and to bless them as they go.” David Fitzpatrick from “Let My People God.”
“The hallmark of authentic evangelicalism is not the uncritical repetition of old traditions, but the willingness to submit every tradition, however ancient, to fresh Biblical scrutiny and, if necessary, reform.” John Stott
“The congregational church can be defined as plot plus building plus priest plus salary plus programs.” Wolfgang Simson from “Houses that Change the World.”
“I never cease to marvel at the surprise expressed by many church people upon learning that every congregation in the New Testament was a house church!” Del Birkey from “The House Church .”
“Once the prophetic was discredited, Christ came to be regarded as far away, and the clergy were conceived of as having His affairs in their hands, and doing His work on earth though the Sacraments. This led to the exaltation of the ministers of the Church.” A. M. Renwick from “The Story of the Church.”
“Although men played the dominant role in ancient societies, Paul’s approach to authority was flexible enough to allow women to share in the oversight of the churches in their homes. ( Rom. 16:3-16; Phil. 1-2)” Robert and Julia Banks from “The Church Come Home.”
“It is a sad plight today that many, many times God’s people are ‘gathered together’ as a lot of material and ‘spiritual stones’ but never assembled or ‘build together’ as a house for the Lord, a habitation for His glory.” Kevin Connor from “The Church in the New Testament.”
“May He deliver us from our American corporation mentality which has turned local churches into hierarchical machines, power structures, and passive priesthoods, all supporting the unbiblical notion of a clergy-laity class system.” Frank Viola from “Rethinking the Wineskin.”
“Nothing has turned off this generation more than people who use Christianity to play political power games for the exaltation of their own ego and charge the poor for it.” Wayne Jacobsen from “The Naked Church.”
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Friday, October 15, 2010
What's wrong with today's "Christianity" -- so-called?
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Competition for power externally comes from fear, but a deeper realization leads one to love, appreciation and non judgment while engaged in the world. I also feel that Christian Mysticism can awaken our spirit and the spirit of the youth.
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ReplyDeleteThe deepest realization Man can ever know is when the Sovereign God of the Universe graciously reveals Himself to us, offers us a measure of faith, and we repent, accepting Him. We turn to Him and accept His love and salvation, His free gift of His very Life. Upon the Holy Spirit's entering our once-dead spirit, we are a new creation, Christ's Spirit living within us, inside our inner man. This is the ONLY and TRUE awakening for mankind -- by grace through faith in the death on cross and the resurrection of Jesus, the Son of God. This is the beginning of having the Mind of Christ and true Christian Mysticism is then possible. No human effort, no will, no mindset or meditative practice brings us His life or opens doors to the Eternal God -- unless He already dwells in us by our having accepted the Son of God as Savior. Being thus "born from above" -- God being pleased to reveal His Son in us -- this alone awakens our spirit to His Life. God Bless your journey towards His Truth.
ReplyDeleteWhilst I understand what most of the commentators are trying to say, By using the word "Church" we are able to come up with concepts like "House Church".
ReplyDeleteIf we really read what Jesus said it is impossible to have Church, House Church, churches, to do church, to be churched, to church someone, local church, etc., etc.. But since when does the "Church" take much notice of the words of Jesus?
Church is a construct of the collection of religions that fall under the label of "Christianity".
"Come out of her (Church in all it's myriad fashions) my people."
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ReplyDeleteI know what you mean about this irksome concept of "Church" or "The Church", with it being essentially a confusion created by intellectualism and earthly modes of government. The "Church" on earth became in essence men trying to "corral" God's heaven-borne, spirit-guided ekklesia into an deadened and organized pooling of Christ's body.
ReplyDeleteAnd just how does man gather the ekklesia? How do men decide to have "a meeting" in one physical place or "accepted way" of those spiritually called out and sovereignly assembled UNTO HIM? How does any man dare decide what is right?
Justifying a decision on how to gather by rigidly following a derivative New Testament pattern might seem fine -- but even that idea MUST be submitted to the Spirit's leading and guidance FOR THE RIGHT NOW of our lives. God acts in the present and leads us in a LIVING way -- not a pattern or form. You know all this -- I know. I just need to say it. The Lord is doing a new thing -- a fresh thing -- a living thing -- a Jesus-centric thing.
Yeah, we do say "house church" to conveniently denote the physical gathering of believers apart from traditional buildings of a religious purpose. But you and I both know that just meeting in a house or school library or old warehouse, etc . . . doesn't mean it is truly non-traditional and organically alive in spirit.
Religion, nicely playing "church", approaching God via our self-conceived patterns of worship is a thing deeply ingrained in man's soul. He is a natural-born worshiper.
Consider how easily the woman at the well launched into religious debate and the right and wrong way -- when the Lord cut through all that useless discussion and spoke,
John 4:21–24
21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Jesus spoke little on "the church" other than to say He would build it. So, I think it's time we get out of His way and let His Spirit be absolutely free to do the building, assembling, calling out, and progressively freeing believers to "worship in spirit and truth."
May the Spirit truly deliver us from the bondage of church-ing ourselves to death. Amen!
As a believer who takes part in a "home church" several times per week, I can gladly say that I will never ever set foot back in a ginormous mega-church, where there is one man (or woman) giving some watered down Aesop's-fable-type morality lesson based on what feels good or sounds good to a large mass of complacent Christians who simply show up for their weekly ego-boost, wherein somewhere during the course of his hour of preaching he inserts a scripture or two to validate his own opinion.
ReplyDeleteSorry if that sounds harsh, but the Church is “wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked,” and doesn’t even know it.
Simply put, I am blessed to be allowed by the Holy Spirit to discover what it is to truly experience "koinonia" with fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I am privileged to take part in the spiritual growth of the body of Christ (witnessed by its individual members maturing, not by the increase in the number of attendees) while we each allow the Spirit to direct us as we study the Scriptures together, with no one person being "in charge," but all of us submitting to the power of the Word of God.
That is unity; that is the building up of the spiritual temple of God.
Amen bluecc!
ReplyDeleteTo experience firsthand the reality of Jesus indwelling a gathering of living stones by His Spirit -- ah, what a blessing! And vitally knowing He is being living-ly manifested among those gathered solely unto Him -- is the simple reality of the ekklesia functioning in LIFE, as it is meant to exist.
Anything else is . . . not just a near-miss . . . . it is absolutely NOT His way of offering the ekklesia resurrection life, it is not allowing His headship, and He/His Spirit is hindered, grieved, and quenched. Because of His undying love He calls His ekklesia out and away -- unto Himself.
God's ekklesia in the world today are so many lambs that were tired of being uncared for -- by hirelings and now they hear the True Shepherd's Voice and they follow only after Him and no other.
May those still following the hirelings of churchianity come out unto the ONLY ONE that truly loves them.